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This site is dedicated to defeating a very foolish movement that is trying to encourage Jews to abandon their holy customs for the sake of Jewish “Unity.” This movement calls Kitniyos “sthuth.” In fact it is not shtuss at all and is of a Goanic origin. Regarding avoiding kitiyos on Pesach the Aruch Hashulchan writes “those who question this practice and are lenient concerning it are demonstrating that they have neither fear of God nor fear of sin. They also display a flawed comprehension of the proper ways of Torah observance. Although there are some countries which have not followed this stringency, all of Germany, France, Russia, and Poland have accepted upon themselves and their descendants this wonderful stringency, which has a good reason, and one who deviates from it should be bitten by a snake.” (O”H 453:4-5)
With that in mind we ask you to submit articles relating to this matter or comments of support for publication. These can be published anonymously if requested. Let use keep our holy minhagim strong. Let those who “have neither fear of God nor fear of sin” not influence our practice.
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so, the customs fo the sephardim are not real? for shame
Baruch HaShem Machon Shilo's psak has received wide coverage on Ynet in both Hebrew and English. (They are must-read articles in either language). I received an email that their website has received over 215,000 hits in March. Clearly, they have made their mark.
Some disagreements have been l'Shem Shamayim and with respect, while you have merely tried to besmirch Rav Bar-Hayim.
To paraphrase another Rav:
If anyone knows anything about the Sitra Achra and how he works in this world, then he would also know that the controversy surrounding an issue is perhaps a clue that it is authentic.
For the Sitra Achra fights on behalf of two causes: in favor of that which distracts Jews away from Torah, and against that which will lead to the redemption of the Jewish people — the arrival of which means his own demise (Succah 52a).
And so Neturei Kitniyos was born...
Yonathan,
Please sight one spot where I am not being l'shem shamayim on this site and I will remove it.
You on the other hand are the one not being l'shem shamayim. I'm sure beit hillel called beit shami the sitra achra all the time.
You came to my blog and said that: "You are a chillul HaShem". I criticized halachic decisions of various sorts based on major poskim and my Rav. See http://kitniyot.blogspot.com/2007/03/worse-than-kitniyot.html
I never said that so-and-so is a hillul HaShem. I said that the practice of keeping a second day in Eretz HaKodesh is. I then cited Rav Kook (and later the Chacham Tzvi) so it would seem that you are implying that they are hillchulei hashem (chash v'shalom).
I can assure you that we are working l'shem shamayim. So do the people who wear techelet, the Rabbis who urged their congregants to return to Erets Yisrael--and I am sure they were told that they were hilchulei HaShems as well.
But I am not zealous for my honor but that of Eretz Yisrael and my Rav.
It would be nice if I could believe that you would prefer to behave like Bet Hillel/Shammai rather than Neturei Karta.
I stand by my statement.
You are making a chillul Hashem by saying Jews that follow the psak of the Holy Chofetz Chaim are making a chillul Hashem by following his psak. But I understand why you would make such a statement as you have never been trained to look at ALL sources and then through accepted Torah logic techniques reach the true conclusions. Rather you are taught to first reach a conclusion in your heart that supports your agenda and then to find sources that support your conclusions or twist them so it sounds like they do.
This is what you are calling Emeth?
Yonathan Ben Shimshon - "he who lives in reality" must be one of your "lishma" followers no doubt. Way to promote achdus.
Eliyahu, why don't you discuss the Halakha in the Mishna, The Gemara, the Tur, The Rambam and the Shulchan Aruch that says CLEARLY that when you leave a location permanently, you no longer are bound by the customs of that place?
Why don't you accept that Halakha?
It is unanimously accepted in all Halakhic sources.
You keep skirting the issue.
Elyahu, read your own quote again.
" all of Germany, France, Russia, and Poland have accepted upon themselves and their descendants this wonderful stringency,"
Eliyahu, I am not living in Germany, France, Russia of Poland, therefore I don't have to follow this "wonderful stringency".
As I said before, "Eliyahu, why don't you discuss the Halakha in the Mishna, The Gemara, the Tur, The Rambam and the Shulchan Aruch that says CLEARLY that when you leave a location permanently, you no longer are bound by the customs of that place?
Why don't you accept that Halakha?
It is unanimously accepted in all Halakhic sources.
You keep skirting the issue."
"When you leave a location permanently, you no longer are bound by the customs of that place?"
So if a Jew moved to Antarctica he would no longer have to keep any of his father's minhagim? What a foolish thought that has no basis whatsoever! Certainly if you move to a community that has “community minhagim” surely you are obligated to adapt them. Those communities were known as Kehillas. And they are not very common in our day and age. All we are left with today are our parents’ minhagim and praiseworthy is the Jew that values what he parents taught him!
Let's take Yerushalayim. What exactly is minhag Yerushalayim. There are none. (If anything the only argument you could make for minhag Yerushalayim is that it follows the minhagim of the GRA whose talmidim settled here. And he did not eat Kitniyos.) Since there are none you follow the minhagim of one’s parents, grandparents and great grandparents.
That said you miss the entire point of this site. There is a VERY strong basis for those Jews that keep this minhag. Why then should G-d fearing Jews that are keeping the minhagim of their parents be accused of causing sinas chinam? If your parents traditions mean little to you and you want to follow this sole opinion that it your decision. But why don't you show any respect at all to those that follow the majority opinion? The notion that all Jews need a uniform dress and uniform customs to achieve harmony is a myth with no basis and is even harmful. Achdus will only be realized through tolerance and mutual respect for differences (ala Beis Hillel and Beis Shammi) which is why the very concept of a KLF is seriously misguided.
B"H EBC last statement I believe is the most relevant, because it brings up the most fundamental issue here:
Are we bound by minhagei hamqom? Or minhagei Avoth?
This has been taken for granted for way too long.
When all of a sudden did we start following minhagei Avoth and stop adhering to Minahgei haMaqom?
Since refraining from eating qitniyoth was never a minhag hamaqom in EY, it's a non issue. If it were, then Sefardim would also have to refrain along with Ashkinazim.
I won't elaborate, because I want to go look up the exact citations before getting into. I appreciate that EBC did the same with the AHS.
In short {and I gotta get the exact references for you} two sources are thrown around a lot to support adherence to minhagei Avoth: 1. a sugiyah in a censored version of the T. Yerushalmi {Arachin} and a 2. pasuq from Mishlei.
That's about it. Everyone just seems to take it for granted that we go by minhagei Avoth.
B"H
BTW, the Hacham Tzvi and his Ya'abe"tz, well-respected Ashkinazi poseqim, both said that refraining from qitniyoth during Pesah was a "minhag shtuth."
Ben-Yehudah,
Therefore what? If someone wants to hold by a minority opinion the one time a year they are supposed to be extra stringent they can find a loophole? Yay! So eat your rice and let other Jews avoid it. Why the need for a KLF - which does the very opposite of what it claims is its purpose - to promote achdus.
The KDL promotes achdus through tolerance of all minhagim and mutual respect.
Also, I quoted several sefardi poskim (Chachum Yaakov Culi Z”TL and Chachum Chizkeya da Silva ZT"L) one even from Jerusalem, that advised Jews NOT to eat rice at all on Pessach.
They said it’s an admirable practice for G-d fearing Jews... a far cry from a "minhag shtuth."
Minority opinion?
Let me ask you this: You cited the Arukh HaShulhan, and appropriately so.
Do you also hold to his other views?
Check out what he has to say about the eruv in your community, which is probably made of string or wire.
This is a fundamental Ashkinazy mistake and/or combina, which gradually developed as they were released from and moved out of the ghettos, where is was very easy to set up (kosher) eruvim.
Everyone just conveniently ignores the AHS on this, though.
People aren't interested in discovering the truth, just in what happens to be compatible with their hashqafah.
There are, of course, those of us who are.
This has been a fundamental mahloqeth for the past 500 years.
The future doesn't look promising.
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